Thought it was really odd.
Nader, like Ralph? You want “nadir.” I get what you’re saying, but if he’s Patient Zero, was it that healthy from 2008-13 before he got here? Not like he inherited a winner either.
I think you mean Jonathan.
@gregauman The stink of James Stewart and D Williams running all over us on MNF in 2008 has lasted 12 years. 58-116 since then and no playoffs. Seems like it was a turning point (opposite of the San Diego game in 96 that turned in a positive way).
If you’re drafting a QB to groom in 2020, you can spend much less than $27 million on your other QB. It’s possible, but that’s an expensive bridge ...
Fair questions. I think you could maybe see Winston gone, but not sure it’s easy to separate Arians and Licht.
It’s really easy to oversimplify a hypothetical like that, but the 20th scoring defense would give up about 7.4 points less per game than Bucs have. If nothing else changed, close losses vs. NYG, SEA, TEN could be wins. Never that simple though.
Shipley is very much an Arians guy, with him in Pittsburgh, Indy and Arizona …
Center AQ Shipley was drafted by the Steelers in 7th rd of 2009 Draft (226 overall). He was cut 4 x, was on PIT & PHI practice squads & did not appear in his 1st game til 2012 w IND. Today he plays in his 100th career reg season game. A win for perseverance & the good guys https://t.co/77Tzj9QPuF
You're right, but look at the first half, even more pronounced: -- Thomas eight targets, six catches, 47 yards and a TD. Kamara 14 touches for 87 yards. -- Evans two targets, one catch, 6 yards. Godwin two targets, zero catches. Difference in top two players' yardage is 134-6.
I went with the official game book.
To have seven years in NFL, coming up on five full seasons as a backup on the 53-man roster in Tampa, and to never take a single regular-season snap, I have to think what Griffin has done is unprecedented in NFL history.
I think many fans think this way about Winston. Every poll we do shows you guys are largely very divided on what's best to do with him after this season.
Would have been a cool moment for Griffin, even in a tough home loss. His story remains an amazing one. As only backup QB on roster and with Winston dealing with injury, he still could find a way onto the field at some point this year.
I'd agree with this. If you're limited but insist on staying in the game, what you do is still yours without an asterisk, good or bad.
I wouldn't say anything's a lock with Winston. A game like Arizona has Arians saying "really good chance" Winston is back if he has more of those games. A game like Sunday, not so much so. I'd think his future is still largely up in the air.
We write extensively about the yardage and TDs and the records Winston has broken and will continue to break this year. And we constantly mitigate turnovers by explaining what contributed to them above and beyond the QB. Words like "nobody sees" are just incorrect at this point.
@ryan_hagerman @stateoffl @Acavallaro90 @gregauman Right and I get his turnovers are an issue but it’s like nobody sees that he also has thrown for 300+ and multiple TDs yet again. If you go back and look at the film of all his turnovers I wonder how many are actually on him and of those how many were b/c team put him in bad spot
They had six RB carries the entire game. Fewest rushing attempts in any game in team history. As Arians said, they "aborted the running game." Saints have the No. 3 run defense in NFL, so wouldn't have been easy, but Bucs definitely gave up on that half of the offense.
Well-framed poll here for Bucs fans ...
Per Peter King, one anonymous person in the league put three head coaches that would be a fit for Colin Kaepernick. One of them was Tampa Bay’s Arians/Leftwich combo. As a Bucs fan, how would you feel about Colin Kaepernick competing for the Buccaneers starting QB job in 2020?
This is probably the most logical path to upgrading the Bucs' offensive line in the offseason. Can revisit Smith and left tackle after 2020 season and move forward from there.
Special-teams captain vote this year was tricky for Bucs. Specialists are all new, and best coverage player (Ryan Smith) was opening the year on four-game suspension. So your captain is a player who had played two games for Tampa Bay before this season. Lots of new faces.